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I am wanting to try astral projection but first I want to know is it possible to be possessed? , how do you avoid it? , how should I steer clear of negative entitites on the astral plane? , can they hurt me (physical or astral form?) what if going to the plane I keep thinking ( stay positive it will be fine) but you know every once in a while especially this being my first time , I will at one point think " I hope I am fine " ," I hope I don't get possessed" will I get possessed spiritually or physically? since thoughts instantly manifest in the astral realm. I honestly want to explore the 'other side , but these fears are stopping me" plus what is the worst and best case senario? please help guys , any advice will be appreciated thank you in advance. :)
Tuesday, April 28 2015, 07:55 PM
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    Hi Jason, my name is Jack and it is nice to speak with you. Whenever anyone starts to get out these main factors always come to the for front, fear, getting possessed, etc. In all actuality none of us here can truly ease your mind totally about this but there are a number of things you can prepare yourself for and also realize in your mind.
    First off, your spirit (the real you) is connected to your physical body by an unbreakable bond that is only broken when you die. To put this more clearly no one over there can break this bond, only your physical death. The rumors that you can get possessed when you are out is totally that, only rumors.
    Secondly, I have been getting out for about 20 years and I have never been possessed. My wife, my 4 sons, 3 of my daughter in laws, my best friend, one of my grandsons, numerous friends have gotten out without being possessed. Also the many, many students I have taught have never been possessed. Also the famous ober's such as Monroe, Bulman, Carrington, Taylor, Peterson and so many other famous ober's have been getting out for decades and they have never been possessed. Remember that those who warn you about getting out have never done it. (as far as I know anyway) Also all the writers of our magazine who have been out have never been possessed.
    You see Jason, for what it's worth, you may still be somewhat nervous about your first obe's, as all of us are at first. But with that said if all those I have mentioned have not been possessed, chances are nether will you.
    At first you will only be out for seconds or a minute or two, till you get more advanced. As you progress and you find yourself back, safely in your physical body, time after time, your confidence will get stronger and stronger. In time you will forget about any past fears you have now. Only you can do this. We all can talk all night with you to try and comfort you about this but you have to be the one who steps out, takes a deep breath and goes for it.
    One last thing. Many out there (and I know quite a few) are so scared about getting out that I tell them that they should only attempt obe when they feel confident. To some, obe is not a good thing if they are too scared or nervous. You need to search deep within yourself and make the choice to do it. Remember only you can make that decision. Only when you feel comfortable and confident should you attempt an obe.
    I always tell my students to get out of the lower realms as soon as they get ouof body. In reality nothing there can hurt you but just as here on earth, there are people who are of a lower maturity and they like to scare you, etc. They can change their appearance, shape, etc. to scare you, but they can't hurt you. You have as much power over there as they have. But the fact remains whenever any of us are in a foreign environment we are uncomfortable, etc. We do not know our way around you might say. But as time goes on and you continue to become experienced in obe, you will overcome any fears that you might have now. But keep in mind what I tell my students, when you get out and you know you are in a lower realm, simply command yourself to go to a higher realm and in seconds you shall be there. Command yourself to go to a passed on family member or friend, or to your higher self, or to Father (God), etc. The higher realms are full of loving, caring people who will not bother you, possibly help you if you ask them.
    Thirdly remember that it is true that if you worry about some negative thing happening and you think about it, most likely it will appear. But with that said know that things take a number of seconds to appear and if you realize you have thought of a negative thing, quickly change your thought to a positive one. But if a negative thing does appear, remember it is of your own making and in this you can simply command it to go away and it will.
    Lastly remember that as you start your obe attempts, you will be out usually for only a few moments or minutes. Then you will return safely, your confidence starting to build. Then you will get out again and again and return safety time after time, your time out becoming longer and longer. It take's time to be a Robert Monroe.
    Jason, think about it, investigate it more, (that is good) and if you like, pray about it. When you feel ready, go for it. Good luck, Jack.
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    This is fantastic advice! Thank you jason for asking what most of us are thinking, and thanks Jack for your awesome detailed answer!!
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    Thanks Casey. I am going to try and show people that out of body is not all that mystical or complicated to do. Out of body is a natural physical function that all of us have the ability to do. Somehow it has been forgotten over the centuries by most of the world population, other than some. We all need to get back on track, learn how to do this forgotten ability and do it. Too many out there preach to people about confusing techniques or they scare them with their hellish stories, etc. With me, obe is simple and straight forward, no double talk and also no extended, long term learning techniques.
    Heart rhythm reduction, slowing down your breathing, simple muscle relaxation and a number or very simple obe methods is all it takes for most people. Those who want to get out have to be very serious and very, very committed. It is hard to teach someone how to get out with a written post or book, but if a person is serious and has the hard commitment and focus to get out, in almost all cases he or she will get out. (at least that is my findings after teaching so many to get out, not a big deal) Jack.
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    Sunday, May 03 2015, 09:02 AM - #permalink
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    Awesome words here Jack!
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    Saturday, May 09 2015, 08:52 PM - #permalink
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    I agree with you Jack, We are a bit off track as you say. I think the main reason that a lot of people cant astral project is because we are brought up to not accept it, realize it, or even talk about it. I know a lot of older cultures keep it on the for front for their children to understand at a young age. Not learning about our spiritual reality at a young age;) causes a lot of the fear, like what Jason is feeling, because we are also taught that anything beyond the physical is evil. It sounds like attending a school in a country that says theres only bad things in other counntries, so theres no need to visit. lol
    Great words her all, pleasure chatting :)
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    Hi Emily, nice to talk with you. After reading your comment I am amazed at how your reply is so right on, and I mean that. It is exactly as you say that in today's world out of body is evil, not accepted and that the things of the spirit are basically not taught. I speak with and answer thousands of questions each year and it is very few times I read a letter such as yours. You are of great insight and wisdom. I would love to hear more of your background.
    We can't speak of obe or the things that it represents, not in today's world. I agree with you that our children are not taught the things of the other side, where they came from and where they will return to. Instead they are taught the ways of the world. Please keep in mind it is true the ways of the world must be taught, so our children shall not be ignorant but there does need to be a balance of the physical world we live in and also the world we can not see, that which in actuality is the most important. It is truly incredible how right your words are. I sincerely hope to speak more with you in the future. Jack.
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    Awesome words here Jack!
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    Hi Adriana for your nice words. To me obe is not the answer to all questions but to many of them. Sure we all can help others in the standard ways, but the spiritual ways are usually forgotten or left out. As we all need food and shelter we also need the spirit side of life. In these things I want to do my part. I hope I can fulfill all I hope too. Please let me know how I am doing in the future. Jack.
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    Hi guys, Thanks jack for the kind words! Makes me happy :p :p I wanted to say to Jason too, if you are scarred, then yes, perhaps get to the root of "why"you are scarred, and really get this identified first. I agree with Joseph in that nothing will probabally happen in your inicial outings, and I say go for it !! But at the same time, learning about your underlying fears and the trappings of your own psyche is an important part of spiritual growth. Keep us posted there, and have fun in flight!!

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    Thursday, May 21 2015, 06:09 PM - #permalink
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    I don't have much to add here except that these are all great comments. Jason, be not afraid. Begin your practice and find freedom in a peaceful way.. You will not be possessed, and you will find truth beyond the body. Keep us posted. Are you using the AP mastery program here with the LBT then?
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    Tuesday, May 26 2015, 12:31 AM - #permalink
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    Hi Everyone - I'm very new to the community and I really was not planning to jump into a conversation tonight but then there was Jason's question staring me in the face.

    Jason I can identify with your fear. As a child I was extremely fearful and my family used to jokingly call me egg because I spooked so easily:) I could not watch horror movies but for fear of being ridiculed by my siblings I would focus intently on the TV controls that were at the bottom of the set, never watching the actual screen! This worked - up until one of my brothers figured me out!

    As it just so happened though - strange supernatural phenomenon started happening to me. At first it was scary dreams and then they started manifesting on the physical plane - sounds being heard, the TV coming on and off. I was convinced that there were evil spirits out to get me. I then started to suffer from sleep paralysis - waking up mentally while my body slept and being unable to move and yet sensing a presence 'coming' for me. You are afraid to astral project - I was afraid to meditate far less astral project! I was so certain that these entities would take over my mind.

    Little by little I overcame my fears and as Jack said - if they surface during a meditation or an OBE I simply cancel them with authority knowing that the power of my highest intention for good is what will manifest.

    How did I get to this place?

    -- You already have a huge first key - you recognize that you create/manifest your reality and your experience - that's excellent!
    -- Now the next thing you need to realize is that there are only two forces in the world - Love and Fear. (Shame, guilt, greed, hatred, racism etc. are all rooted in some type of fear if you analyse them carefully)
    -- So the next thing is to root or ground yourself in love. My background is Christianity and so I eventually found texts and scriptures like "Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death - I will fear no evil." from Psalm 23 but one that I love even more is found in 1 John 4:18
    There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out all fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

    (Sorry, I really love the old English:)
    -- You can also set an intention that only entities and experiences aligned with 100% Divine Light be allowed to enter your energy field and space. . (You can actually use this intention everyday and then even experiences deemed to be bad to the natural eye will be seen as teachers).

    Everything that happens to us, happens for a reason. Even manifested fears happen to show us two things - how powerful our thoughts are and what areas we need to work on. And if as you say you manifest something scary then you can easily dismantle it and replace it with something more pleasant since you created it!

    Be patient with yourself and spend some time analyzing your core beliefs. Even evil has a purpose and is playing a role in the Master plan. We can make paradise on earth but we must overcome fear - which is the greatest evil of all.
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      Absolutely perfect advice here Elizabeth! You never fail to inspire me with your methods and delivery of experience.
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    Sunday, June 28 2015, 01:38 PM - #permalink
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    Hello Jack, I am understanding the fear aspect and creating your own negative entities a lot more but still am a little confused. Within the last year I have been pulled out of my body occasionally from sleep into sleep paralysis. During sleep paralysis I have astral sight and can see around my room. Twice I have seen a dark entity and the last time it was hovering directly over me. I also felt it touch me under my groin area. I don't feel like it wants to hurt me but I still have a hard time controlling my fear when I am in sleep parlysis. I am thinking that next time I will try and communicate with it and tell it to leave. I also feel like I am able to come out of my body during sleep parlysis but am usually to scared to try because the entity is there as well. was wondering if you have any other advice?
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      Greetings gang, particularly John and Jason I wanted to thank for this discussion. These are the core questions that many ask when beginning to astral project. It depends on the individual of course, but I generally provide the most direct answers as i possibly can. The simple response is to be very serious about your explorations and mental/physical states. This does not mean that danger is lurking around every corner, but it does mean that if you seek to enter a new plane of experience, you should be clear in its operations.
      As entities both negative and positive, are etheric in nature, therefore, be sure to be elementally balanced. i'm not sure if you are familiar with the tattva meditations we provide here, or the banishing ritual, but they are both sound methods of balancing and clearing any astral or physical vicinity. Whether understood entirely or not, these methods have remained the authoritative practice for adepts over the ages for good reason.

      By all means, let us know how your practice develops, and should you seek to fearlessly travel out of body, I will be sure to provide the exact details and links to access.

      Our tattva trance meditation is unbelievable powerful and effective!
      http://www.lightbodytravelers.com/ap-mastery-and-self-illumination-curriculum/ap-curriculum-meditation-videos/week-five-tattva-tance.html

      The LBRP is a full proof method to banish and clear any space.
      http://www.lightbodytravelers.com/rituals-and-prayers/118-lbrp.html
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    Greetings gang, particularly John and Jason I wanted to thank for this discussion. These are the core questions that many ask when beginning to astral project. It depends on the individual of course, but I generally provide the most direct answers as i possibly can. The simple response is to be very serious about your explorations and mental/physical states. This does not mean that danger is lurking around every corner, but it does mean that if you seek to enter a new plane of experience, you should be clear in its operations.
    As entities both negative and positive, are etheric in nature, therefore, be sure to be elementally balanced. i'm not sure if you are familiar with the tattva meditations we provide here, or the banishing ritual, but they are both sound methods of balancing and clearing any astral or physical vicinity. Whether understood entirely or not, these methods have remained the authoritative practice for adepts over the ages for good reason.

    By all means, let us know how your practice develops, and should you seek to fearlessly travel out of body, I will be sure to provide the exact details and links to access.

    Our tattva trance meditation is unbelievable powerful and effective!
    http://www.lightbodytravelers.com/ap-mastery-and-self-illumination-curriculum/ap-curriculum-meditation-videos/week-five-tattva-tance.html

    The LBRP is a full proof method to banish and clear any space.
    http://www.lightbodytravelers.com/rituals-and-prayers/118-lbrp.html
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    Hello, Everyone,
    Wow, I stepped away for a few days and then I look back, and here's all these awesome people with great questions and even greater answers. I am still relatively new to this site also. I wish I had read all this about fifteen years before I began having OBE's and lucid dreaming. Actually, I had come from a Christian background, and even my mother warned me about Demons when I got involved in a magic group. Well, I cannot say that I totally do not believe there are some evil entities out there, I am too steeped in readings from the Bible and Eastern religions to just caste the thought totally away. I still have not figured out if my negative experiences were because of dabbling in magic, or it it was because of belief systems that had been thrown in my face, but I certainly had some realistic in my bedroom and in astral realities experiences. I have found now that it is best just not to dwell on them. I do know everything is about frequencies, and if you go into this thing with fear, you will draw negative entities to you. But if you know you are balanced and have resolved any negative issues you may have, and go into this expecting good things to happen, you are more likely to draw good things to you.

    This is why it is advisable and recommended by magic orders that you go through a period of sessions with a therapist, to resolve any issues you may have. I was so positive that I did not have any issues that would interfere in my progress, I was really surprised when I had to suddenly start dealing with some very negative entities, but I was not at all afraid at first. I did my banishing rituals everyday, and my Middle Pillar, but for some reason I had some challenges to get past. Even so I would not give up any of the experiences I had, because I learned much with each experience, and it stimulated me to do some research as to who these entities were.. In magical groups, it is a requirement also that you do a Banishing ritual daily and the Middle Pillar before any special techniques . It all depends on the individual also, perhaps a karmic thing if you attract negativity. Jason, you do not have to worry about being possessed. They CANNOT take possession of your body or your soul, without your permission. You are a glorious spiritual being and your soul belongs to you. They will try to torture you and hurt you on the astral plane, but once you realize that you are much more powerful that they are, they are powerless to harm you. They also hate certain things, like quoting verses from the Bible. I also discovered that I had the abiity to make my own astral weapons against them. It took a little practice at first, and they laughed at me the first few times I tried to use my sword or dagger, or magic wand. But I was being tested by my Higher Self, and I finally learned to just send them Love, and finally now my vibrations are just too high for them to bother me. Being armed with this information also helps to keep my vibes high. I know also that I am a glorious spiritual being, a child of God with enormous powers, and yes, Jack is right, they just cannot do you harm unless you let them.

    Now, having shared this information with you, I am sure you will not have the problems I had, I suspect that dealing with these guys is expected of a magician, and if you are just doing this for learning about yourself, You will Not have the trials I had. Jack you are absolutely right and your answers were very good for a novice, but no one will ever convince me these guys weren't real. They were the furthest thing from my mind when I began having experiences, and I think everyone should be armed with this knowledge before they step through that door, especially if you see this as training for finding your own Higher Self, or Holy Guardian Angel. Even though I supposedly had a teacher, no one gave me any warnings, and I had to figure out how to deal with these guys on my own. I was totally naïve, and had no expectation that this was going to happen, it is not spoken of in magical groups, I think, because they don't want anyone to know about anybody's experiences, so they can't make this up, just to pass to a higher level. Joseph, I hope I haven't stepped out of line by revealing this, Having said this, John, I do not think you have anything to worry about unless you have been dealing in dark magic and tried to bond some demons to you. The dark shape that you sensed, I think was probably just your own etheric body, Robert Monroe told about an experience just like yours, where this dark shape kept appearing about him, and finally, he decided to grab it one day, an tried to pull it around so he could see it, and when he did that, and got a look at its face, he was amazed to find out it was his own face! I've had that happen to me to, where I was just sort of half out, and I felt this body next to mine, and it was scaring the bejeebies out of me, until I realized it was just my etheric double. It's the body that actually contains your life force, and the one just next to your physical body. One more thing, I also experienced these creatures trying to sexually molest me in bed, but you know it, when it's one of them. But sometimes, it can just be your Kundalini energy flowing through your body. For the longest time, I kept thinking I was being attacked from the back, in fact in one of my earlier experiences with the demons, I had these cartooney, nasty little kid beings coming up and sticking things in me, like being stuck with a needle, or a knife, or some other sharp instrument, but before they did that, it seemed like they were coming out of the rear end of me. I finally just realized they were sneaking up behind me, and what I felt was just the Kundalni energy circulating. It left me feeling like someone was attacking from the back, and even when the dream or astral projection was over, I could still feel that energy circulating though me. I still haven't figured out the entire directions of the flow, it came out one hand and crossed over to the other, went up the back, circulated around my head, and back down the front, and somehow the sitting place felt like there was a hose of air coming in and going out.

    Jack, your comments were really awesome, and you made this thing sound so simple, I would love to hear how you explain to your students to get out. I am still trying to get back into this things now that I have been away for it about 7 years, and now that I am trying to heal myself, I want to be able to astral project again. Lucid dreams are nice, but I have no control over when they will happen. Elizabeth, you really sound like you are quite experienced too, I would love to hear a little about both of you, and how you got into this. We can all learn from each other. Oh, also put in your location, so we all can know where you are from. Thanks, everybody!
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    Hello, Everyone,
    I just reread what I posted yesterday, and I want to apologize to anyone I might have offended by being a little too blunt with about my experiences. I just want to tell you all that I am just a little old woman who wouldn't hurt a flea, but sometimes I am a little too straightforward. Part of it somes from working in hospital laboratories for over 30 years. It's kind of like learning to talk like a sailor, except in the laboratory, it's all part of being "scientific," so it's okay. Believe me, you have no idea what you might hear or see, working in the laboratory, well, really, just being in a hospital where everyone wears those gowns that flap open in the back. Goodness, what happened to our dignity? I'll try to be a little more subtle (and humble) in the future. Have a great day. :D :p ;)
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    Wow, so many great words of wisdom here, not sure where to start. Im finding more information in these chat forums than the entire internet sometimes! lol Regarding getting over your fears, I can only offer to say that being fearless starts with the daytime life. I think if we walk in our world in peace with everything from the insect, to the animal, to the human counterparts, we will somehow be ok generally in the astral. I think physical and astral vibration levels are simmilar, and we carry our karma into both. Hope this helps a little. lol
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